{"id":232,"date":"2004-05-18T20:14:21","date_gmt":"2004-05-18T20:14:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blah\/?p=232"},"modified":"2004-05-18T20:14:21","modified_gmt":"2004-05-18T20:14:21","slug":"the_death_of_nn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/2004\/05\/the_death_of_nn\/","title":{"rendered":"The death of NNTP"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>You can take a user to a &#8216;net protocol, but you can&#8217;t make them use it.<\/p>\n<p>Protocols are being blurred like crazy at the moment, and it&#8217;s not clear what&#8217;s going to be left when the dust settles and the metaphors are unmixed. Google&#8217;s new <a href=\"https:\/\/gmail.google.com\/\">gmail<\/a> service is basically web-based (i.e. HTML across HTTP) e-mail (typically SMTP), but with threads concatenated in a way that makes them look like Usenet (i.e. NNTP) discussion threads, or blog (i.e. RSS\/Atom\/whatever-ends-up-as-convention) entries. Google&#8217;s own Usenet archive (i.e. NNTP feeds presented as HTML across HTTP) is now being <a href=\"http:\/\/groups-beta.google.com\/\">experimentally presented as an Atom feed<\/a> (i.e. like a blog).<\/p>\n<p>Something&#8217;s going to be left behind, and I have a sneaking suspicion that it&#8217;s going to be NNTP. Since the web took off, it&#8217;s been an increasing puzzle to new &#8216;net users just what Usenet <em>is<\/em>. People call discussion groups &#8216;sites&#8217;, and ask what their &#8216;address&#8217; is &#8211; by which, of course, they mean the URL &#8211; or the &#8216;URI&#8217; these days, the convention-change also a signal of the blurring between protocols. (And it doesn&#8217;t really serve to tell them that the address is news:name-of-group.) What people know, and what they&#8217;re comfortable with, is the web. The software they&#8217;re most comfortable with, is a web browser.<\/p>\n<p>I think we&#8217;ll be left building most things on top of HTTP. It&#8217;s really happening already. I&#8217;ve no idea what &#8216;news&#8217; syndication standard (RSS, Atom) will prevail. It doesn&#8217;t really matter for this discussion, since they&#8217;re both mechanisms which use XML (which is the direction HTML is heading anyhow) across HTTP. Again, it doesn&#8217;t matter which RSS\/Atom aggregator software prevails. It won&#8217;t be long before the functionality of an aggregator becomes integrated with existing browers. In the end, a blog, or a news feed which uses RSS\/Atom as its form, is just a web-site which updates regularly, and in a particular direction. That&#8217;s how they&#8217;ll be seen, and it&#8217;s how it makes sense to see them.<\/p>\n<p>Reading <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rousette.org.uk\/blog\/archives\/2004\/05\/18\/news-reader-shootout\">bsag&#8217;s discussion of the relative merits of various Mac OS X news aggregators<\/a>, I was struck by her calling them &#8216;news readers&#8217;. It&#8217;s a good description, but it&#8217;s a startling usurping of the name that has typically been used for Usenet (i.e. NNTP) readers. The popularity, and newness, of blogs and blog-like feeds, seems unstoppable. When something loses its name, its days are probably numbered.<\/p>\n<p>Not that this means that Usenet&#8217;s days are numbered. Despite the diversification and schisming of &#8216;net discussion across web-based message boards, blogs and such, Usenet is still a healthy medium. It&#8217;s NNTP that&#8217;s doomed. The popularity of Google as a Usenet interface is chipping away at both NNTP&#8217;s use, and its visibility. Usenet is increasingly seen as something which happens on the web. <\/p>\n<p>It won&#8217;t be so long before news aggregators become part of web-browsers, and it&#8217;s only a small step from that to the swallowing up of Usenet. In the end, there isn&#8217;t anything fundamentally unique about Usenet&#8217;s structure which merits its own protocol any more. Usenet groups look an awful lot like communal blogs, and a parsimony of protocol use, along with a user community which wants to bring separate streams together into a similar (if not the same) interface, will cause any distinction to narrow, and then vanish. There&#8217;ll be individual news feeds (blogs), communal but private news feeds (group blogs), and communal, public news feeds (Usenet). But the mechnisms will end up being much the same.<\/p>\n<p>There are certainly technical issues that I&#8217;m not even beginning to consider &#8211; such as the natural site-mirroring process that&#8217;s a fundamental part of Usenet, and which distributes its load and access &#8211; but those will be overcome. Something that&#8217;s good, that&#8217;s valued, finds a way to persist, and that&#8217;ll be true of Usenet, whether it uses NNTP, or RSS\/Atom on top of HTTP, or some protocol yet to be invented. Usenet&#8217;s value isn&#8217;t in its protocols. Its in the content, and community, and there&#8217;s quite enough of that for it to continue to thrive.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You can take a user to a &#8216;net protocol, but you can&#8217;t make them use it. Protocols are being blurred like crazy at the moment, and it&#8217;s not clear what&#8217;s going to be left when the dust settles and the metaphors are unmixed. Google&#8217;s new gmail service is basically web-based (i.e. HTML across HTTP) e-mail &#8230; <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-232","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/232","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=232"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/232\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=232"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=232"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/northgare.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=232"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}